we could sit, and we could tell people about something all day long, but if you're able to show it to them, the impact is a second. >> he's a part of the recording. they may have been making the history, but he was recording history. god, you can tell a lie, but photos don't lie. i see what you're doing come here ♪ ♪ so you think you're ready >> i'm here in beverly hills. ♪ i just need you to >> the most glamorous people on earth, and i'm about to interview one of the most glamorous people on earth. ♪ >> she's an '80s sex symbol

who's sold millions. >> i can't wait to meet you. i'm very excited. and that's miss jackson to you. ♪ you came here to sit apart >> janet jackson, or miss jackson, if you're nasty to her, never talks about her private life really, but tonight she's going to make an exception. she's told me i can ask anything i like about her life in one of the most famous families in history. should be an amazing encounter. how are you? >> how are you? >> may i? lovely to meet you. janet, how are you? >> i'm very giddy right now. >> giddy. >> yes. >> it is exciting for you, i know. >> it's good to see you. >> is it exciting? do you like doing interviews or do you hate them? how do you feel? >> i'm not very keen about doing interviews. >> why not?

>> i'm not much of a talker. i mean, obviously i will if i have to, but i'd rather listen. i'd rather just stay very quiet and listen to what's going op. >> you've written this book, which is incredibly open. i was really surprised, knowing how private you normally are. as i read it, i said, wow, she's really been frank and honest here about some very private stuff. >> well, it's funny you say that because a lot of people said the very same thing when i did the "velvet rope" album. but i've always written about my life experiences, and this is just another step, another level for me. >> reading your book, janet, there seems to be two janet jacksons, there's the brilliant stage performer with all the confidence of a top performer, and then there's the quiet, shy, retiring young janet who goes home who's very different. which one have i got today? >> i don't know. maybe a little bit of both.

i don't know. >> you are two people, aren't you? >> yeah. yeah, i am. i think everybody -- i think -- it's beyond two people. i think -- i mentioned this in "the velvet rope" really. i think we have several different characters that live within us. and it all depends upon who we're interacting with. but that character comes out at that moment. >> you've had this extraordinary life where reading your book, you know, from the moment you were born you were born into fame. you had no choice. you had to be famous because you were a jackson and you were one of the youngest jacksons. so you had no option here. if i could take you back and give you an option, you're about 3 or 4 years old and i hold the keys to that door to fame -- >> 3 or 4? >> say you're 3 or 4. >> okay. >> you're right at the moment when you're about to start performing. and i can say to you, janet, you don't have to go through that door, you can keep out of this, you can remain anonymous and be a normal person, would you take that?

>> well, there were two things that i wanted. when i was 5, 6, 7 and i was very serious about it, i wanted to be a horse racing jockey. >> did you really? >> yes. no, i'm serious. i started riding when i was 5. i wanted to be a horse racing jockey. then when i was around 14 is when i got my first recording contract. at 14 actually. i didn't want to sing. i wanted to go to school and study business law, and i wanted to act. >> but that's the feeling i get from the book is that you were kind of -- you had to go along with this. you had to be a singer because that's what the family did. it was the family business. >> that's what my father wanted me to do. and, i mean, i'm very grateful, i'm very thankful. >> but do you regret the loss of your anonymity? i mean you're now so ludicrously famous. what i was offering you really was the deal to not be famous. if you had that power again not to be famous, would you prefer not to be or do you quite like it? >> i don't mind it.

i mean, there are moments when i wish i could just crawl into a little shell and for no one to know who i am. but i can't say that i miss it because i don't know what that's like. i mean you can't miss something that you've never experienced. and granted i've never -- the reason why i say that is because all my brothers were famous even though i hadn't been on camera, on screen. i got a lot of attention just from being the baby of the family and being, you know, a girl, a little girl. so i always got quite a bit of attention since i can remember. >> not being able to lead a normal life for most of the time that you exist must be difficult. people -- ordinary people can't understand that really. they don't really understand the goldfish bowl that you in particular as part of this

family have had to exist in. >> you do live in some sort of a bubble, but it's normalcy for me. like i said, it's -- my brothers were famous when i was 2 years old, to help you to kind of understand. so i moved to california when i was 2, and it was on from there. i've been very blessed, very fortunate, and it's made me who i am today, the good, the bad, the ugly, the all of it. >> nothing ugly about you, janet, if you don't mind my saying. this ring, can we have a look? isn't it skull and cross bones? >> yeah. >> what are they, the heads of interviewers that disappointed you over the years >> i told you. i've got a special finger for you. >> i'll bet you have. which one is it? >> it's this one. >> that one. >> i love skulls. >> you love skulls. >> yeah. >> sort of creepy, isn't it? >> no.

>> really? >> i don't think so. i just think they're really cool looking. >> do you collect real ones or >> no. >> how many skull-like things do you have? >> oh, i don't know. i really don't. >> this is fascinating. >> i know. no one's ever asked me before. this is my first time saying this. >> you've never revealed your skull addiction before. >> well, i don't know if it's an addiction, and it's no deeper meaning of this cult or whatever like that. it's just something that i like. just a little motif that i like. that's all. nothing deeper. >> janet, what are the major themes of the book? it's clearly your ongoing relationship with food. how would you best articulate it? >> a love/hate relationship. it's -- it's been a tough road, a tough battle since i was very little and not feeling worthy, self-esteem issues, issues

dealing with food stemming from when i was very, very young. not feeling who i was was good enough as i was. >> the weird thing about having sort of an addictive problem to food, which is what you articulate in the book so well, is unlike other addictions, you know, if it was drink or drugs or whatever it was, you always have the power to give it up. you may remain an addict, but you can give it up, you can stop taking the drugs or the alcohol. >> you don't need it to live. >> yeah. for food, the addiction is there every day. isn't there? there's no giving up. you have to eat food to live. >> you do. i mean, i'm not in denial in any way. i've never had someone say to me you're addicted to food and maybe that's what it is for me. i've never had anyone say that to me, but the way that i feel about it, it definitely -- and it still is an issue for me.

you know, figuring out where to place it. i was an emotional eater. i still am. and i have to -- i've learned how to -- how to handle certain issues and not to run to that for comfort. >> when i interviewed oprah winfrey for this show, she said the worst day professionally she'd had was when some movie she'd been involved with, the ratings came in and they were terrible. and she said she went and ate just a gargantuan amount of food. >> she did the whole weekend. >> she was laughing, just ridiculous, but at the same time it made her more unhappy. >> made her more depressed, i'm sure. >> how did it manifest itself with you when you had gone through bad times and eating too much what did you do? >> it's binging. >> like what, though? let's have a bit of insight on binging. >> whatever you like, whether it's fries, pizza, or -- i love caramel apples. >> oh, they're nice. >> aren't they good?

i think -- i mean, i think everything you can have in moderation. to eat healthy is very important. but still, you can have those things in moderation, a little here, a little there. i still eat caramel apples. >> do you? >> yeah. >> they're the nicest thing. aren't they? >> i love them with nuts, with the peanuts on the outside. love them. >> when we come back, the secret life of a superstar sex symbol. >> there was a time i was so down and felt so unattractive and it lasted for a very, very long time, but i used to bang my head against the wall. [ female announcer ] sometimes you need tomorrow

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♪ there's something i want to say something i've been holding back ♪ when you were, reading from the book, when you were at your worst in terms of the eating and you began to hate yourself, you got depressed. i mean, what were you feeling at that time? what made you suddenly think i've got to get a grip? >> it's been a few times. just knowing what i was going through, looking at myself in

the mirror, realizing that i'm not myself or looking in the mirror and not really recognizing the person that i'm looking at. it's like, who is this person? you don't look like yourself. you look like someone you look like someone completely -- a totally different human being. you've got to stop this madness and being in this depression and yada, yada, yada. it's been tough. but i've learned to deal with it. i've learned to -- you know, how to deal with it. >> how? what's the trick for people watching this who are going through a similar thing? >> well, it's just not about, okay, how do you stop the eating. it's deeper than that. there are issues behind it. you have to figure out what's creating it first in order to figure out how to stop it because it's not just about someone going in their refrigerator and saying, okay, i want this, i want this. there's something behind that.

and that's what you have to figure out, get a hold of. and once you deal with that, then it makes everything else a little easier, a lot easier for me. >> how depressed did you get? >> it was -- it was pretty bad. it was bad. it was pretty bad. >> what's pretty bad? >> it depends, and i only say that because of different stages in my life. when i was a kid, they told me that i started developing at a very young age. they said my chest was too big, so they'd bind my chest for performances. not my family. this was the very first show i did, "good times." they didn't tell me they were going to do this. they just wound up doing it right there immediately it's telling me i'm not good enough as i am. this is where it stems from. how bad did it get? that's kind of where it started. even before that when you have someone calling you names or whether it's a name of

endearment, i was the kind of kid that internalized everything. some people -- >> michael called you donk, didn't he, short for donkey? >> yeah. >> that's not very nice. >> no, but what -- no, it's not, but when it's coming from a family member who means it out of love, it's just fun, they don't realize what it could be doing to you. and especially being the baby -- when you have a big family, a lot of brothers and sisters or even you don't have to have a big family but being the baby, a lot of teasing. and you get it more so than anybody else. >> do you think in your case it affected you more than any of them realized, that it was all chipping away ott your self-esteem? >> yes. this is what i'm getting at. they didn't know. i kept -- i was so quiet, i never told anyone how i felt. i was just -- i was hurting inside, but i never said anything to anybody about it. and i'd laugh it off like it was nothing, not wanting to show that the pain that it was truly causing. so that's not -- that's not -- you don't do that.

that's not the thing to do. that's what i did, and i kept that up for years. and my life began to change. >> you said you'd been through this a few times, like a cyclical thing, you know, where your weight's gone up and down and you've talked openly about in the book in a moving way. there will be lots of women watching this who have been through similar things in their lives. >> but, see, it's not just about weight. it's about self-esteem. >> about how you feel. >> yes, and that's why i started from my childhood because i didn't want it to just appeal to women or men. i wanted to appeal to teenagers, to kids so that they know that they're not alone. and maybe one of these anecdotes that i give them they can relate to. for instance, in the book i talk about there was a time when i was so down and felt so unattractive, and it lasted for a very, very long time, that i used to -- i used to bang my head against the wall. >> really. >> yeah, and -- >> hard?

>> yeah. >> literally just like this? >> yeah. and the person that i was with, my ex-husband at the time, i mean, he'd have to stop me and >> what were you thinking when you did that? >> i -- >> crazy? >> no. i didn't feel crazy. i just felt very unattractive. i didn't like who i was. i didn't like the way i looked. but once again, all of this stemming from, you're not right. this is how you should be. you're not good enough this way. you're not worthy. you know, you're fraudulent, whatever the case s and all of that is building and building and building accumulating to this point in my life. and that went on for a good while. >> did you ever feel suicidal? >> no. no. >> never got that bad for you? >> no. no. there may be an instant of -- but, no, not like that. not like that. >> i've seen you say before that

most families are dysfunctional. and i totally agree with that. you take anyone's family and give them the kind of scrutiny the jackson family's had, they'd all look dysfunctional in some way. >> but you don't even have to give them that. you take any family, you will find there are issues. >> everyone has it. right? >> uh-huh. >> the difference is you've had to, all of you, lead life in this crazy kind of -- >> under a microscope. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> which makes it different to most people. >> it magnifies it that much more. it makes it very hard. it's not an easy life. >> tell me. >> everyone thinks, oh, it's so glamorous, it's this, it's that. like you said, the two sides. people see you as this and there's no way. you mustn't have any problems. >> i never gave it a moment of thought about how i look at all. and a lot of men i know are the same. but for you i've noticed all these magazine covers that come out, this incredible premium that is put on female stars to look 100% all the time.

and even when you go out now and try to be normal, of course, there's paparazzi everywhere. >> everywhere. >> hoping to you catch you looking a little bit rough. the pressure must be enormous. >> it's crazy. it's crazy, and i think that's why a lot of the women today, a lot of them swing in the other direction and they're undereating. some of the stories i hear which i won't get into and i'm not going to tell people's tea, but >> other female stars who just >> yeah. that's not my place to do that. >> without naming names, what are the craziest things you're hearing? don't name them. >> no, i'm not going to name names. >> what kind of things? >> oh, i hear about -- okay, this is the worst. eating tissue, kleenex to fill the stomach so you're full. >> what? >> yeah. so that you're full. >> people do that? >> yes. so that you're full and that you don't -- you won't want another bite to eat and that's what you eat. >> that's crazy.

>> that's crazy. and then for the kids to see this and to look up and see, oh, this is what i'm supposed to -- this is what i want to look like or what i'm supposed to look like and want to go on a diet at a very young age and not living a life as a kid. i was told at a very young age on the show "good times" once again, too, that i needed to go on a diet. i was only, what, 11, 12. and i look back on those shows and i wasn't a heavy kid. once again, what that does. like i said, some people can just brush it right off but others, they really internalize it. and that was me. >> coming up, janet jackson's rocky relationship with her father. one occasion you cite when you're getting out of the bathtub, and he whacks you.

♪ you let it go you let it go no i can't let it go ♪ >> your dad can a fascinating character. you know, i always think he gets a hard rap, your dad, because, yes, he's a disciplinarian, but, wow, without that discipline that he had, would any of you have gotten where you got? i mean, i don't know, but i suspect his drive and the pressure he put on you and the work ethic and all this kind of thing -- >> he was very strong. >> yeah. i mean, would you say, when you

look back on your relationship with your father, is he predominantly a good man, do you think? how would you -- >> i think my father means well. i think he means well and wants nothing but the best for his kids. i just think that the way he went about certain things wasn't the best way, but, you know, it got the job done. and that's because of maybe how he was raised, doing what he thought was best, not knowing any better so -- >> you tell the story in the book on one occasion you cite when you're getting out of the bathtub and he whacks you. how old were you then? >> i was very young. i -- i remember being younger than 8, let me put it like that. >> that's pretty bad. >> yeah. and i can't remember what it was that i did. i can't remember if i truly deserved it. my father's never touched me

aside from that time. he's never put -- >> but he did the boys quite a lot. >> yeah. >> he was quite physically disciplining -- >> when my -- when my brother randy and i, when we came along, i think my parents got kind of tired having nine kids and raising these children. i think they became -- and everyone says, you guys have it so easy, my other brothers and sisters would say, and my parents were a lot more lenient with us, and i thought they were very strict. >> does he ever tell you that he loves you? >> yeah, he has. >> he can do that. he has that -- >> he has done that before. >> but not often, i shouldn't think. >> no. >> he doesn't give the impression of being very demonstrative in that way emotionally. >> he's very tough. jacksons don't cry. >> is that -- you do. >> jacksons are tough. >> really? you do, though, don't you? >> of course, i do. are you kidding me? yeah, i cry. everybody cries.

>> how do you get along with him now honestly? >> well, you think i'm going to sit here and lie to you? >> maybe. >> that's wrong. we don't speak that much. >> when did you last talk to him? >> honestly it's not often. not -- >> weeks? months? >> it's been -- oh, no, it hasn't been months, not like that. a few weeks ago. >> do you feel sad about that? do you feel sad you don't have a relationship with him that is better? >> not anymore. i used to. it would have been nice. i would go over a friend's house when mother would let me go, and i'd see my friends, the

relationship with their father, how they call him dad and sit all in their lap and -- >> what did you call him? >> joseph. one time i tried to call him dad. >> and what happened? >> he said no. he said, no, i'm joseph. you call me joseph. i'm joseph to you. so when your father tells you one time, you don't do it again. so i always called him joseph. >> sad, isn't it, that he's -- >> yeah, it is. i mean, i wish our relationship was different, but i know that he loves me. >> in his weird, strange way. >> that's exactly what it is. there's no question about -- i know that he loves me, and he's told me before. it's -- you know, he has his issues, his things, the way he was brought up, and he's set in his ways, and i think he did the best that he could and i think he did a wonderful job with us.

i mean, the outcome, but the way he went about it, i don't know if i agree with that. but we turned out okay. we turned out -- >> do you think you'll have children? >> i hope so. >> do you worry the clock is ticking or not? >> no. that's -- you know, i've given that up to god. >> have you come close to thinking, i'm going to have a baby now? >> i never really thought about having children until i got with jermaine dupree, when he and i were together. that was the first time i really wanted to have children. i felt -- i felt comfortable in the relationship at that time.

how he would be as a father, how he is as a father. he has a little girl. but we're not together anymore. so i don't know if i'll have kids, but i've really -- i've really given it up to god. if it's meant to be it's going to -- >> do you think you'd be a good mom? >> i hope so. everyone tells me for the longest -- they've told me, oh, you'd make a great mother. i'd say why? you're very nurturing. you're very mothering. you take care of people all the time. and, you know, yada, yada, yada. so i don't know. >> what would you do differently if you had a child to the way your father treated you? >> a lot of attention. a lot of love. spend a lot of time. i'd let them know how much i love them all the time. they'd know.

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♪ smile though your heart is aching smile ♪ ♪ even though it's breaking >> when your brother did the charlie chaplin "smile" routine at the memorial for michael -- >> my brother jermaine. >> yeah. it seemed completely appropriate to anyone that knew him because that's what i remember about michael is the amazing smile he had apart from the genius talent. i still say to people i saw him in paris in the early '90s. i have never seen a concert like it in my life. >> wonderful performance. >> incredible performer. but he had this amazing smile. do you feel he's still with you? do you feel he smiles down on you? >> yes. a day doesn't go by where i don't think about him. not one day. that goes for the rest of my brothers and sisters. >> some of the most touching stuff in the book is about you

and michael when you were very young, really liked those passages because it was like you were looking after each other's backs a bit, you each had each other, yet the teasing was relentless and he could be very naughty with you, but he always kind of knew you were there for him. >> i feel that he did. i hope so. we never talked about that, but, well, that's -- i feel like that's part of my job as little sister, to have my back, to have the back of my brothers and sisters. >> what was he like as a little chap? >> as a kid? >> yeah. >> i heard he was bad. i did. as a little kid? because i mean obviously i heard he used to do pranks, tease people all the time. but he was a good kid, though. >> when you came along and you became his back watcher and you both got a little bit older each time, how did your relationship evolve? >> very close.

mike and i were very close. we used to -- we used to go to this restaurant called loves. i don't think it's in existence anymore. and we used to get a ton of dinners. and we'd drive around in the car looking for homeless people to give them to. >> did you? >> uh-huh. we did it -- we used to do it all the time. we'd just give them food. one guy through it at us. i don't need your stinking food! i was like, mike, let's get out of here. >> i could imagine you handling that okay but i could imagine michael -- >> he was driving. i'm the one that's passing out the food. we got out of there, though. but, you know, that's the only time we were ever -- any sort of rejection. >> and are you able now, because enough time has passed, the terrible grief you must have

felt at the time, are you able now to think about with happy memories? have you got to that stage yet? >> uh-huh. >> what do you think about? >> about passing out the dinners to the homeless. >> yeah. >> about taking care of the animals when we were kids, about some of the talks that we had, things like that. >> for those that didn't know him, what was he like? what were the misconceptions of michael, do you think? >> he was very sweet, very gentle, incredibly smart. always about love. always about love. he -- he -- he knew who he was. >> do you think most people misunderstood him? >> uh-huh. >> i interviewed michael. >> oh, you did. >> yeah. i interviewed him. and i found it fascinating to

actually talk one-on-one with him because, "a," he seemed completely normal to me, and we had a great discussion about -- >> he was. >> -- all sorts of things. great sense of humor. but what was really interesting, and i wanted to read you some of this, was what he said about princess diana who had just died. he said to me, "i told her that no normal person could possibly understand the life that she led. i'd had that attention since i was a kid. diana had had it only from the age of 19. i had it all my life so i knew how to handle it. i just said to her, rise above it all. i would tell her how i would go on stage sometimes in the worst pain either emotionally or physically was something like a toothache and i would put whatever it was out of my mind and perform. i said to her, be strong, be determined, no one can hurt you, you can only hurt yourself, so be defiant. i think she appreciated it and got something from my words. i think i was able to comfort her." and when i read your book, there was a lot of similarity there in terms of the way that you dealt with the appalling tragedy of michael's death.

you know, you had to get back out and perform, and when i read these words again, i was thinking, wow, it's almost exactly the situation you found yourself in. >> for one, listening to what you just said, what he had said to you, a part of that is how my father raised us. whatever is aching you, whatever is going on in your personal life, you don't let it show. you have a job to do. they're not there to know your business. get out there. they pay you their hard-earned money to see you work, to see you perform, and you give them that. so you don't let them -- you don't show the pain that's going on inside of you. i got back to work right after my brother passed.

it was very difficult at times, and there were moments that -- when it helped me get through it. >> performing does. >> uh-huh. >> is that because you have a kind of weird communion with an audience, having people there to almost share it with? is it that? >> this, this -- this one-on-one -- or not even one-on-one. well, one-on-oners or getting in front of a small group, that's difficult for me. >> but 80,000 people on a stage is a different thing. >> a no-brainer. isn't that weird? >> it is weird. >> isn't that crazy? >> i mean, i can't -- i don't know what that's like because i've never done that. >> and here's another one that's kind of crazy. i don't like when people stare at me. >> really? oh, dear. i've been staring at you for

about half an hour. >> well, that's it. it's like i'm in the wrong profession, i'm in the wrong business. >> you don't like being looked at? >> huh-uh. >> you are in the wrong business. >> i know. right? it's crazy. it's kind of crazy. i'm in the wrong business. but it's easier for me when i'm moving, when i'm this'ing, when i'm thating. but if i'm just still and speaking it's a lot harder for me so i just have to put on that face. >> in a moment, miss jackson on the real diva in the family. >> let me stop because i think my sister's a diva. she's going to kill me. curtis: welcome ba to geico radio, it's savings, on the radio. gecko: kate frll, it a yours. ka: i'shopping for my curtis: welcome ba to geico radio, it's savings, on the first car.. gecko: nice! i do hopchse geit i bet yod great in a bl ofcar.h... atol is th kate: no...actually, i'm torn between a fuel-injected

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i want to talk to you about sex, love, and marriage, and i don't really mind which order you do it in. >> okay. >> where do you want to start? >> you're the one who wants to talk about it. you start. >> i find you fascinating. in this area you've been married twice. you're clearly a very romantic

woman. i can tell that. you're also from your lyrics i mean quite a naughty girl, aren't you? >> am i? >> i think so. yeah. you're quite a sexual woman and not afraid to say it. >> it's a beautiful thing. it's beautiful. why -- why -- but, see, you guys are more open about -- >> we are, yeah, a bit more prudish in america. you should have been european. >> maybe i was in another life. maybe that's where all of this comes from, is stemming from. >> it could be couldn't it? >> possibly, i don't know. >> how many times have you been in love? >> truly in love? three. >> so you married two of them hopefully. did you? you were in love with both your husbands, i hope. you weren't, were you? this is great.

really? >> no, truly in love, five. >> how come it just went from three to five? >> because i wasn't -- >> thinking properly. >> uh-huh. >> do you like being in love or is it agonizing? >> no. i mean, obviously relationships can be tough. but i love being in relationships. i'm not a -- i'm not a loner. granted, i do need my moments where i just need to be but -- >> are you easy to be with, do you think? are you high maintenance, low maintenance, middle maintenance? >> i've always thought i was low maintenance. why are you laughing, steven? why? what's -- >> your extensive entourage would appear to suggest that maybe -- >> extensive? is it that bad? >> not that bad. they're quite nice people.

i was expecting some monitors to arrive to beat me up >> they've been with me for years. >> they were quite cheeky earlier, i thought. >> that's the relationship we have. i mean years, 17 years, 20-something years. >> have you ever been a diva? >> i don't think so. look, as strict as my parents were and the disciplinarians, well, let me stop because i think my sister is a diva. she's going to kill me. >> la toya? >> why la toya? i could have meant revi. i'm not a -- i'm not a loner.

>> she loves being a diva, doesn't she? >> she is beautiful. she wouldn't be latoya. i love her just as she is. my friends tell me that i'm not. my family. they tell me that i'm not. people that i have worked with. they said, oh, expected you to be one way and you're totally the opposite so i guess i'm not. >> your first marriage ended, you think, because you were basically too young, right? too inexperienced, too young. he had issues you shouldn't reconcile with? >> at the time, i didn't think it was because i was too young. but yeah. >> looking back on it. >> yeah. and i think i did it for the wrong reasons. not to say that i wasn't in love with him but i -- i did it for the wrong reasons. >> and the second time? >> what about it? >> what went wrong there, do you think? >> oh, i can't speak about it, unfortunately. >> oh, really? >> yes. not because of me but because -- >> you just agreed not to? >> he asked me not to. >> do you think you'll get married again? are you weary now? >> everyone says third time is a charm.

maybe marriage isn't for me. maybe i'm just meant to -- i don't know. have someone, live with someone but not tie the knot. i always thought i don't need a piece of paper to validate what it is that i have with someone. >> do you find it easy to meet guys. you are janet jackson. you must be intimidating. >> that's what guys have always said. >> you come on here with your skull and cross bones. >> stop it. for me to meet guys, no. for guys to meet me, some -- some -- most of them i think have been intimidated. that's what i've heard. >> they have to get past your security detail first. >> no. i'm very easy to talk to. >> are you? >> i think so. >> i think you are. >> i think so. i mean, i might be a little bit quiet but i don't think i'm shy. i think i'm pretty easy to talk

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♪ make me say skulls, see? >> even more skulls. all skulls. >> they're all skulls. >> a bit weird, isn't it? >> no, it's not weird. >> no? >> why -- you say you like them, don't you?

>> you talk about love and then covered in skulls. >> i like the way they look. when's wrong with that? >> i don't know. it's a weird thing to -- >> i don't know. i'm not -- i love, by the way, your accent. >> thank you. i like yours. >> i do -- to you do i have an accent? >> of course you do. >> i do? >> you're a weird american. >> thanks. >> my pleasure. when's the thing that makes you happiest in the end? if i wanted to make you really happy, how would i do it? >> i don't know if you can. >> i'd have a damn good go. >> there are a few things. my family. my relationship with god. what i do. performing. the love that i receive and

support from fans. those things make me happy. >> you're going out on tour with a greatest hits tour. >> tour. >> tour. >> yes. >> and it's going to be i mean, ridiculously huge, clearly, isn't it? are you excited? nervous? >> excited. not nervous at all. it's the biggest tour that i will have done to date. i mean, allowing the fans to vote for which city they like for me to come to perform. and in which city and it's -- the response has been incredible, incredible. >> what's been the best moment of your life? >> it would have to be a moment which i'm not going to go into but a moment with my family. that's when i'm beside myself. when we're all together. i love -- >> there was one moment in particular you're thinking of? >> uh-huh.

i love, love, like, my -- my great nephew, london blue. auntie janet, i love this family. this is such a great family. he's so cute. he's 5. and it's just sweet moments. when we all get together which is rare. it's hard. >> when it happens, do you all feel like -- >> it's special. >> okay. we are a bit crazy, the jacksons, but when we get together we have an amazing family. >> we have a wonderful family. we have a wonderful time together. that's the thing. such great fun. that's what i love. >> just to wrap this up. it's been a fascinating encounter. i didn't know quite what to expect but you're exuding to me an air of being as happy with yourself perhaps as you've ever been. >> i am. i told you before. i'm in a wonderful space. and it's -- it's about having that happiness, that love from within.